John Edwards in NH forcefully calls out Hillary Clinton on Iran vote and article in New York Times

I attended the Hudson 'Town Hall' style forum as a blogger for BelowBoston.com . The highlight of the event came  during his opening remarks when Edwards addressed the recent vote in the Senate concerning Iran and today's article in the New York Times in which Hilllary Clinton advisers said that vote was meant as going from "primary mode to General Election mode".

Details below the fold.

It was during Edwards opening remarks prior to opening the forum for questions that his "stump speech" underwent a few changes: he offered sharp distinctions between himself and Hillary Clinton but none so sharp as her recent vote concerning Iran. I  transcribed the following blockquotes from my digital voice recorder and some statements at the end are unintelligeble due to loud applause. The paragraphs below are also posted at BelowBoston.com:
This weekend in NH John Edwards got the endorsement of Friends of the Earth Action and at events all this weekend he was introduced to interested voters by the President of that organization.

John Edwards does not hesitate to point out clear differences and distinctions between he and Hillary Clinton as he appeals for the votes of New Hampshire residents. He does not shie away from using her name as he outlines for voters where these differences exist.

The first distinction between he and HC was within 2 minutes of his opening remarks  and concerned how change that is needed will be effected - by "being willing to take on entrenched interests." i.e. lobbyists. He told the 400 people who took the time to gather at the Hudson Memorial School that he himself has never taken money from a Washington lobbyist  and that "to his credit Senator Obama has not in his run for President" but that "Senator Clinton does". That she has taken "millions" from lobbyists. He stated that there will be no change to the system if you "embrace" the lobbyist system. His now standard line about how we shouldn't replace corporate Republicans with corporate Democrats drew sustained applause.

That was just the first shot across the bow of the Hillary Clinton Campaign -- there were more -- and they were more than rhetorical: he directly challenged her judgement and worked the audience on their noted fervor for their First in the Nation Primary by mentioning a quote in an article in today's New York Times which got heavy applause.

The second distinction between Edwards and Hillary Clinton as pointed out by candidate John Edwards  came as he was discussing energy policy. Saying he was not in favor of building new nuclear power plants and that "Senator Clinton and Senator Obama have a different position than that.. and you are entitled to know that." "Second, I am not in favor of building more coal fired plants".
When he was leading into his  stump speech line( which is effective and gets applause from audiences) about "being 'Patriotic' about something other than War" he led into it  differently than I had heard him before:

I think we need a President who, instead of rolling through NH, I promise you this, promise you that, I promise you this.... Uh I hope you you have a sense of me ... I've spent enough time in NH, I know that you do.."

and then the line about being patriotic and he spoke about sacrificing at home and at work by conserving energy.

The third direct distinction between he and Senator Clinton came in his remarks about lessons learned about the Iraq War. He spent a considerable amount of time detailing the recent Senate Iran vote. He commended Senator Biden and Dodd by name for their votes against naming the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization. He said:

"Senator Obama was not present so he did not vote. Senator Clinton voted yes. She is entitled to her vote but I cannot tell you how strongly I disagree with that.
  What makes me worried, is what if George Bush invades Iran 6 months from now so we are going to hear again? 'If only I knew then what I knew now?'

 You know, How long does it take to learn a lesson from the past? We cannot give this President an inch, not an inch.

You know there was story  in today's New York Times where some of Hillary Clinton's advisers said that she was moving from Primary mode, on this vote, to General Election mode.

Now, did I miss something? you can tell me. ( Laughter) Did we already have the NH primary? I mean did we already decide who the winner of the NH Primary is?(Murmurs of No, No, and laughter and scattered applause)I think we're actually going to have an election. [Heavy applause drowns out the rest of his sentence] Instead of moving from Primary mode to General Election mode why don't we have 'Tell the truth mode'[Heavy applause and laughter and a couple of woo' hoos' are picked up by the recorder.]We need to be able to trust both the Presidential candidate and the President of the United States.

So, I think there is a lot at stake in this election. I'm going to open the floor to questions Thank you all for coming".

He got questions about Medicare and Social Security which gave him the opportunity to again discuss lobbyists,  as well as "telling the truth to the American people" about options for shoring up Social Security saying this subject - Social Security- is an area where it is often hard to get direct answers.He offered a direct answer: he came out in favor of raising the cap for those who make over 200,000 dollars a year. He talked about America's role in the world, education, college costs(he called for a National Teachers School similar to West Point, which judging by watching audience reactions to that the idea it was clearly intriguing to people). It was a typical NH voter forum and Edwards excels sat these forums which gives him an opportunity to expand on his goals and policy points.  

His conclusion as he appealed to voters for their vote was compelling because he asked them to base their vote on trust.On whether we as voters can trust the candidate who wants our vote. To look for honesty, integrity, and whether the candidate was being sincere - he asked them to apply that test to him. He told those present that as NH voters, they were "guardians of what kind of President we have" that they get to see more than 30 second sound bites on tv.

Yes they do. And they realize they haven't voted yet. This election is not over. Not to those in that room.



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Sad, all we see anymore from the candidates themselves and their fans are anti-Hillary diaries.   "Calling out Hillary Clinton" does not substitute for making a strong case FOR you as a candidate, Mr. Edwards.  In fact, it turns many voters off.  Just tell us what YOU have that makes you better.  All I see is "Edwards bashes Clinton,"  "Edwards calls out Clinton."   Do you guys really think he has made his case to the American people?   If not, this calling-out is counter productive.


by georgep on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 09:10:30 PM EST

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It's about what he's calling her out for. He's said he would have voted against the Iran amendment, for example.


by Progressive America on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 09:21:40 PM EST
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... if he had been in the Senate (none / 0)

Edwards would not have voted against K-L -- he just says that when he talks to the anti-war left.  When he panders to the Israeli lobby, he's over-the-top militant about Iran:

"Iran must know that the world won't back down ... Let me reiterate - ALL options must remain on the table ... The war in Lebanon had Iranian fingerprints all over it ... Hezbollah is an instrument of the Iranian government ... Iranian rockets allowed Hezbollah to attack and wage war against Israel."

Lieberman?  Netanyahu?  No that's John Edwards before the Israeli Security Conference at Herzliya.

"Hey, John, what's all this stuff about Kyl-Lieberman?"  "Oh, don't worry, I'm just jerking around those suckers on the anti-war left.  I'm with Israel all the way."


by Canaan on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 12:03:46 AM EST
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Re: ... if he had been in the Senate (none / 0)

Pardon me, but we are the anti-war RIGHT!


If it's good enough for Joey it's good enough for Hillary! Like two peas in a pod.
by Hillary Lieberman on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 09:59:31 AM EST
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It certainly does not substitute for .... (2.00 / 7)

... making the case, and so its a good thing that Senator Edwards has devoted the time to making that case, so now he can tackle Senator Clinton on her effort to pretend there are no substantial differences between the candidates on policy, so the only real difference is that she lived in the White House for eight years and they did not.


*John Edwards* ... and the JE08 Supporters Blog
by BruceMcF on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 10:22:07 PM EST
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Re: It certainly does not substitute for .... (none / 0)

How do you quantify that he has made a sufficient case to the Democratic voter?  Seems way off to make such a statement, given how far behind Edwards is everywhere, and even in Iowa he has fallen behind.  A sufficient case speaks of a strong, competetive built base, which does not appear to exist for Edwards.


by georgep on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 10:59:21 PM EST
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George, HRC started off ahead on name recognition (2.00 / 2)

just like George W did.  She is now getting the folks who want to get on the band wagon but from now on, substance and positions are going to matter.  It appears from some of the polling that she has at least a 25% negative rating within the party.  This means that if she wins the nomination, she is going to have to get more Republican votes than a Democratic candidate normally gets.  I believe that is why she has courted Murdoch and corporate donors and is why Obama and Edwards have criticized her.  Whether her being all things to all people pays off or not, we'll have to see.


by lobo charlie on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 01:02:23 AM EST
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That was not what I asked in my post.  Edwards quite obviously has not made a case FOR himself with Democrats.  He is very far behind Clinton, and has fallen behind even further, is now the farthest behind in any polling we have seen from any state, ALL states, that he has ever been.  How then does he intend to win over those of us who currently intend to vote for Hillary Clinton or Obama?  By trashing Clinton?  For most of us that makes it LESS likely that Edwards will get the nod.  


by georgep on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 08:24:38 AM EST
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If you spin any ... (2.00 / 2)

... criticism of Clinton as "trashing" Clinton, and demanding that John Edwards refrain from pointing out the differences that Senator Clinton is working hard to obscure ... this is not surprising.

However, if you seriously believe that the test of whether a candidate has laid out a progressive policy platform is by reading the October polls the year before, then it follows that Dean made his case for nomination in 2004, and Kerry failed to do so.


*John Edwards* ... and the JE08 Supporters Blog
by BruceMcF on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 06:25:50 PM EST
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Be careful how you phrase things. Edwards has indeed made a case for himself with Democrats. Just because they are not as many Democrats as Clinton presently does NOT mean that they aren't Democrats. Please take your candidate worship down a few notches and begin to respect those of us in the Democratic party that do not support your candidate. Your synopsis is arrogant and disrespectful to say the least.


If it's good enough for Joey it's good enough for Hillary! Like two peas in a pod.
by Hillary Lieberman on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 10:03:20 AM EST
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Re: John Edwards in NH forcefully calls out HRC (2.00 / 5)

- Clear differences in approach to energy - Edwards against building more nuclear power plants/ HRC not ruled it out.  That's why Edwards got the endorsement from Friends of the Earth and as close to an endorsement as possible from the LCV.

- Clear differences on accepting money from DC lobbyists - Hillary does / Edwards doesn't.  This frees up Edwards to make real reform.

That's not shilling.

The truth hurts.  And this primary is far from over.  


Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. -- Martin Luther King, Jr.
by passionateprogressive on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 09:23:57 PM EST

Re: John Edwards in NH forcefully calls out HRC (none / 0)

The truth hurts in that it shows that the vast majority of Edwards' posters' diaries are "calling out Hillary Clinton" diaries.  There is no substance.  What, we are to argue the IRAN vote again?   Ample evidence to show how one-sided and ultimately empty that recent diary of yours was.  Edwards supporters don't even talk about Edwards anymore, for the most part.  It is all about bashing Hillary Clinton, as if that wins Edwards the nomination.

BTW, the primaries were to 95% over for Edwards the moment he decided to go nuclear on Clinton.  


by georgep on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 10:03:51 PM EST
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Re: John Edwards in NH forcefully calls out HRC (2.00 / 3)

In case you've forgotten, this site is called "Direct Democracy".  Claiming that the primaries "were 95% over" before a single vote has been cast is pretty much in direct conflict with a site organized to focus on people having more say in our government and electoral process.

Your statement also does a great job of showing why people are so against Hillary and her supporters - total arrogance.  

How could anyone even begin to claim the primaries are 95% over in mid-October?  Either you were born yesterday or you are so arrogant to believe that Hillary is so inevitable that practically nothing could stop her (I'm assuming that's why you left 5% to chance?).

This arrogance is what makes people committed to true change double our efforts to support our candidates and in the process defeat her.

She may win or may not win the nomination, but it will be a battle, as in a direct democracy, it should be.  


Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. -- Martin Luther King, Jr.
by passionateprogressive on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 10:54:40 PM EST
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Re: John Edwards in NH forcefully calls out HRC (none / 0)

Au contraire.  Your diary is total arrogance. I have looked at your diary history, and frankly, YOU are one to speak of "substance."   I almost fell off my chair when I saw what YOU are trying to sell here.  

It is my opinion that Edwards has a very small, outside chance to win the nomination.  Tough nails if you don't like that opinion.  I certainly don't have to justify it in any way, as it is an opinion.  Obama right now has a much better chance at making this a race.  When Edwards decided to go for public financing and the shackles that come with it, he pretty much took most of his chance away.  You can't compete in NH, behind by 30% or more, with $850,000.   I know you are a big fan, and all, but if you don't see that 850k is not going to do the trick to erase huge deficits, I can't help you.  In fact, THAT is indeed the height of arrogance to attempt such a claim.   It would be extremely hard to compete with 850k when the others have $10 Million to spend on one state if polls were competetive (say, within a few points of each other,) but 30%+ behind?   Let's be real for a change here.  I know the "truth hurts" (another arrogant statement you coined in this diary, but I thought I borrow it) but you are best served with it for once, instead of pretending that every move, every utterance, is automatically "just great."   It obviously has not worked out that way so far, and someone who is a bit more realistic from that side should REALLY someday soon start a diary dissecting what exactly went wrong, where they erred, instead of blaming everything on the media.


by georgep on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 11:08:52 PM EST
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Re: John Edwards in NH forcefully calls out HRC (none / 0)

and, repeat, I NEVER claimed the primaries are 95% over, just another misreading and misrepresentation from you (I am finding a lot of those, like your totally false attribution to a comment dbhelix supposedly made, which he did not.)   I believe unlike Edwards Obama still has a decent chance to win this thing.  It is not a great chance, but it is within reach, and he could parlay an Iowa win into a good showing in NH, then SC.  A lot of things have to go right for him, to be honest, but it is possible.  But Edwards?   Iowa?  Even if he wins, then what?  Iowa bounces are not huge, certainly not enough to erase 30%+ deficits in basically every state one may want to look at.   He has a slim chance, but both candidates ahead of him have to falter badly, and there is no indication that that is likely to occur.  


by georgep on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 11:14:29 PM EST
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Re: John Edwards in NH forcefully calls out HRC (2.00 / 1)

Claiming the primaries are 95% over for Edwards is still denying that the voters actually have a say.  They haven't voted, george.  If you believe in Democracy, let the voters speak with their vote.

Edwards is calling her out on "issues", the ones I specified in my post.  You know it.

The primary, for Edwards, is not 95% over as you claim.  Let the voters speak.

Again, deal with it.  


Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. -- Martin Luther King, Jr.
by passionateprogressive on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 08:05:22 AM EST
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Re: John Edwards in NH forcefully calls out HRC (1.00 / 1)

It is a personal opinion, but I base it on a realistic assessment of the race.  I like Edwards, actually more so than Obama at this point.  I believe he is genuine with his call to end poverty, and while the biggest problem he is facing with Democrats is that his amazing, uncanny conversion from moderate/centrist to far-left progressive within just a few short years is simply not being bought by most of us (seen as political expediency by many, core political philosophies are generally ingrained in the person, not changeable on the fly like this)  I allow for part of the massive overhaul of this candidate to be due to having to deal with personal tragedy.   Still, you have to be realistic, even if that is hard to do.  Edwards' chance is that of a clear outsider.   The Intrade betting site, which boasts a very strong predictive track record, gives Edwards a 3.6% betting chance to win the nomination as of today.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ 2008/president/us/democratic_presidentia l_nomination-191.html

You probably don't like to see opinions like this expressed, but posts like yours attempt to "level the playing field," when the reality is absolutely different.  It will require a herculean task of proportions we have never before witnessed in nomination history for Edwards to pull this off.  If you don't believe that the task before Edwards is quite formidable, you are not honest with yourself.


by georgep on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 08:28:47 AM EST
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Re: John Edwards in NH forcefully calls out HRC (2.00 / 1)

You're right, george.  I do believe that Edwards has a lot of work ahead of him.  He has less of nearly everything - money, name (no Bill to go with him), organization in the 2nd wave of states, media attention, etc.  I think it will be difficult.

Yet I also believe that most people are just starting to really pay attention.  Many of us on this site are "junkies" and we pay attention for much more time and in much more detail than most people.

I don't recall the diarist, but I recall reading on here a couple of weeks ago that about 50% of Dems said they were not settled on a candidate for the primaries.  This tells me that the outcome has not yet been decided, if this poll was accurate.  Even the people I know who are educated and informed haven't settled.  They think I'm crazy, not for supporting Edwards, but for already knowing!  Don't you find that from your friends and family too?

I must say - I respect your front page posts, even though I disagree with them usually. :)  Some of your comments in the diaries, however, drive me batty, as mine clearly do to you as well.  I'm sure if we met, we'd get along just fine.  In the meantime, I promise to be more careful about my posts and if I'm quoting to do so accurately (my shortened quote of you above was unintentional).

And of course, we can still argue about why we believe our candidates may be best based on their experience, issues, electability, blah, blah, blah.

At least we agree the White House need to become blue!


Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. -- Martin Luther King, Jr.
by passionateprogressive on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 09:40:03 PM EST
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Re: John Edwards in NH forcefully calls out HRC (none / 0)

There is no sense arguing with a Clinton partisan. Their eyes are surrounded by blinders and their ability to think independently has been replaced by the All Things Hillary meme. They won't admit to any mistakes just like their leader. And they will try to make you think that black is white should the effort paint their candidate in a more favorable light.


If it's good enough for Joey it's good enough for Hillary! Like two peas in a pod.
by Hillary Lieberman on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 09:02:46 AM EST
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Re: John Edwards in NH forcefully calls out HRC (none / 0)

BTW, the primaries were to 95% over for Edwards the moment he decided to go nuclear on Clinton.
by georgep on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 10:03:51 PM EST

and, repeat, I NEVER claimed the primaries are 95% over
 


If it's good enough for Joey it's good enough for Hillary! Like two peas in a pod.
by Hillary Lieberman on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 10:07:51 AM EST
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Re: John Edwards in NH forcefully calls out HRC (none / 0)

forgot this little part for the second quote:

by georgep on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 11:14:29 PM EST

Yes, a whole lot of credibility......


If it's good enough for Joey it's good enough for Hillary! Like two peas in a pod.
by Hillary Lieberman on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 10:10:10 AM EST
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Re: John Edwards in NH forcefully calls out HRC (none / 0)

You captured the undeniable arrogance of the Clinton followers club. They believe fully that anything said by anyone that isn't 100% behind Clinton isn't worthy of discussion. In fact they consider the discussion of such matters heresy. Witness the way you and your positions have been attacked by this Clinton Clan. THEY are a dangerous influence on our Democratic party. In fact they seem to be the opposite of anything democratic.


If it's good enough for Joey it's good enough for Hillary! Like two peas in a pod.
by Hillary Lieberman on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 08:57:59 AM EST
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Re: John Edwards in NH forcefully calls out HRC (none / 0)

Your entire entry here, from when you showed up here about 10 days ago, until today, your user-id, tagline, etc. is a discredit to your chosen candidate Edwards.  

This is obviously lost on you, but notice that I expressed a personal opinion that Edwards chances are quite dim, and that opinion borders on heresy with the likes of you.  I doubt Edwards would appreciate having you speak for him in the manner you typically do.  It is indeed you and your ilk who are a dangerous influence on our Democratic party.  What will you do when Clinton wins the nomination?  Declare all Democrats for "moronic" losers who "deserve what they'll get"?  Tell everybody not to show up to vote in the General, or vote third party?    Damaging our party that way because the candidate you personally don't back wins the nomination is the ultimate in sour grapism, and it runs counter to any Democratic principles.


by georgep on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 09:27:21 AM EST
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Re: John Edwards in NH forcefully calls out HRC (none / 0)

What I do after the primaries is my own business. I don't appreciate that you chose to imply that I would work against our nominee. But so typical a response from a Clinton follower. You apparently have no respect for anyone that disagrees with you or your gal and attempt to label the rest of us as the enemy. A vibrant progressive Democratic party allows dissent, in fact it encourages it. How dare you question my loyalty to the Democratic party. But as I stated earlier, this is the type of response so typical of a Clinton follower. Attack someone's character. Make shit up and hope it sticks. Yeah, that'll make your girl pleased.


If it's good enough for Joey it's good enough for Hillary! Like two peas in a pod.
by Hillary Lieberman on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 10:21:13 AM EST
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Re: John Edwards in NH forcefully calls out HRC (none / 0)

All you have added to this site since you showed up here 10 days ago has been vitriol.  That won't cut it.  It is indeed YOU who wants to stifle dissent, which is undemocratic.   I don't agree with your opinions, and I voice my dissent. The same is true for other posters.  Instead of letting it be as another opinion that might not match yours, you go ballistic, become virulent and vitriolic.    No room for dissent, all YOU want is an echo-chamber that screams "Drop Hillary" from the rooftops.   Sorry, but that is not happening.  The chamber is now open to all, even those who dissent with you.   Learn to live with it.


by georgep on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 10:48:16 AM EST
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Re: John Edwards in NH forcefully calls out HRC (2.00 / 1)

Dude, you haven't seen me ballistic so chill out on the exaggerations. I have not been vitriolic since I came here. Yes, I oppose Hillary Clinton for the nomination but I do so out of a sincere desire to save our Democratic party from being overrun by these centrists that will neglect to move the party toward anything progressive. And as long as your gal Hillary supports traitors like Lieberman you might just expect that some of us will object very loudly, and do so at every turn.


If it's good enough for Joey it's good enough for Hillary! Like two peas in a pod.
by Hillary Lieberman on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 04:42:24 PM EST
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Re: John Edwards in NH forcefully calls out HRC (none / 0)

Of course the primaries are not over.  That's why we gave her so much money in the last quarter.


by Canaan on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 12:28:20 AM EST
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Re: John Edwards in NH forcefully calls out HRC (2.00 / 2)

Yes, we are going to argue the Iran vote again.  Bush wanted, and Hillary gave.  No lesson learned from the Iraq AUMF, no responsibility taken, no change from the status quo indicated.

She even gets her support from gay bashers (see areyouready), JUST LIKE BUSH!


Take out the trash. Down with Saxby Chambliss!
by CLLGADEM on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 06:29:28 AM EST
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Re: John Edwards in NH forcefully calls out HRC (none / 0)

Read Durbin's comments on this Iran "sense of the Senate."   Perhaps then you understand what it was about in the first place.

As for gay bashers:  Clinton has BY FAR the most support of any candidate from within the gay community.  Please don't cheapen discourse here with this "JUST LIKE BUSH" crap.  It belongs on sites other than this (i.e. Democratic Underground.)


by georgep on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 08:31:48 AM EST
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Re: John Edwards in NH forcefully calls out HRC (2.00 / 1)

Telling other people what to write or not write is rude at the very least.  This is the United States, not Myanmar, and I respectfully suggest you stop acting like the thought police.  Indeed, if the autocratic nature of your posts and the savage personal attacks featured in areyouready's posts are typical of the campaign you support, then my choice and the choice of my pro-Edwards compatriots is all the more ratified.  

As for the gay community, I trust that areyouready, in the interests of fairness and full disclosure, will make his comments known to them.  If what you say is true, then the GLBT community at least deserves to know the kind of camapign they're supporting, don't they?

I read Durbin's comments.  He was just as wrong to vote for the resolution as Clinton, no more or less, and for the same reasons I have outlined in quite a few other threads.  Dick Durbin is not some divine authority hovering in ethereal splendor over the political landscape; just because he "believes" this is not a step toward war with Iran does not automatically make it the truth.

It may interest you to know that I do not agree with Senator Edwards 100% of the time, either.  Despite some suggestions to the contrary, not all Edwards diaries are attacks on Hillary Clinton, but discussions of his extensive policy  proposals.  I am on record as supporting a greater emphasis on balancing the budget than JRE would place, and his plan to curb earmarks and special interest spending (pork) has some problems.  Fellow Edwards supporters do not attack me for these statements.  We discuss the matters politely, and best of all, the name of your candidate does not even come up.


Take out the trash. Down with Saxby Chambliss!
by CLLGADEM on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 05:41:11 AM EST
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Re: John Edwards (none / 0)

America has heard what John Edwards has to offer and they have said loud and clear, "No, thanks!!"


by reasonwarrior on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 10:09:53 PM EST
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What is the irony emoticon again? (2.00 / 5)

In the context of this diary:
Now, did I miss something? you can tell me. (Laughter) Did we already have the NH primary? I mean did we already decide who the winner of the NH Primary is? (Murmurs of No, No, and laughter and scattered applause) I think we're actually going to have an election.

...
America has heard what John Edwards has to offer and they have said loud and clear, "No, thanks!!"
sounds like some people think that winning the Q3 "money primary" was all that was required to lock down the nomination.

*John Edwards* ... and the JE08 Supporters Blog
by BruceMcF on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 10:27:15 PM EST
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Re: John Edwards in NH forcefully calls out HRC (2.00 / 1)

The Clinton folks are using their tried and true strategy of attacking anyone that questions the authority of their gal. They minimize the importance of anything said, attack the character of the person saying it and then attempt to characterize the questioner as desperate or inconsequential. They are wholly predictable. Bush and his crowd use the exact same methods.

Regardless of these bullshit attacks from Camp Clinton, Edwards will continue to speak out about the hypocrisy and danger of the Clinton candidacy.


If it's good enough for Joey it's good enough for Hillary! Like two peas in a pod.
by Hillary Lieberman on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 08:52:07 AM EST
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Re: John Edwards in NH forcefully calls out HRC (none / 0)

She's my gal, that's for sure.


by Canaan on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 12:30:54 AM EST
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Re: John Edwards in NH (none / 0)

Attacks on another democrat who is the frontrunner will not save his failing campaign.  That is no excuse to misrepresent her position.  Voters see through this kind of desperate attack and his support will fall off even more than it already has in the last few months since he started going negative.


by reasonwarrior on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 10:06:10 PM EST

Hogwash (2.00 / 1)

It that is true than why are you so worried?

Edwards message will get out, louder and louder!


Check out the New Progressive Blog EENRBLOG
by dk2 on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 12:11:13 AM EST
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Re: Hogwash (none / 0)

And what message is that?  The one where he accuses Obama of stealing his ideas?  or the one he accuses Hillary of doing the same?


by FilbertSF on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 12:23:41 AM EST
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Re: Hogwash (none / 0)

Worried??  About Edwards? Ha ha Ha Ha Ha ha Ha Ha Ha Ha ha Ha ha Ha Ha ha Ha Ha ha Ha......... that's a good one!!


by reasonwarrior on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 10:46:47 AM EST
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Re: John Edwards in NH (2.00 / 2)

Excellent event report, merbex!  Thanks for sharing it.


by TomP on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 10:55:28 PM EST

Thanks, interestingly (2.00 / 1)

this was the first time all summer and into the Fall that I had been accompanied to any candidate's event by my 17 year old( 18 year old in 2008) and she twice grabbed my notebook to jot down  lines spoken by Edwards that she thought were effective.

I am usually accompanied by the blog's technical director who handles the video camera but he took the day off and our camera work was handled by a first time mother of a 3month old - again her first foray up to NH all of this campaign season. She and I are Democratic political activists on the South Shore of MA. Both my daughter and the "new mother" remarked upon Edwards sincerity and passion as he spoke and felt that when the questions came from the audience his "enthusiasm" was best displayed  over America' standing in the world  and how to improve it and  in education plans.

I spoke to the assistant NH press Sectretary who agreed with me that he too had heard rumors that Nh was thinking of moving it's Primary to Dec. 11 which seemed to - I don't know if shock is the right word but maybe "bemuse" both he and I( I got the distinct impression that  a shift to Dec would throw all the campaigns a "curve" they are not really expecting ) and we discussed future NH appearances. I couldn't get any information about ad buy cycles but I tried!

It's always fun to see candidates with people who haven't done the NH political season before and I was so proud that my daughter listened closely enough to want to write down what she thought was important.


by merbex on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 06:46:44 AM EST
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Thanks for an excellent post n/t (2.00 / 4)


by NCDemAmy on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 11:13:58 PM EST

Re: John Edwards in NH forcefully (none / 0)

Thank you for the account! I enjoyed reading your diary!


by Progressive America on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 12:28:41 AM EST

Truth is truth (2.00 / 3)

And it should be told.  about Hillary or any other candidate.

As to John Edwards programs for America, try these:

- One America, end Poverty

- All combat troops out of Iraq

_ Election Reform, Campaign Finance Reform, Lobbyist Reform  - One Democracy Initiative

- A new Energy Fund

- Veteran Benefits

- Strengthening unions

- college for all who want to go

- Rural America Initiatives and so much more.

Are you listening?

You might visit www.JohnEdwards.com

KaritaAllegheny


by KaritaAllegheny on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 05:30:53 AM EST

Look, The Hillary Promoters (2.00 / 1)

... are giving people "0"s for mild gripping about their favorite, their message. If they are so confident that they are ahead, what's the point? Are they afraid that someone will vote for Mitt Romney? I doubt it.

But the Hillary promoter can come into this entry, and scream bloody murder about Edwards without getting "0"ed? Who is on the defensive here?


by blues on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 11:48:16 PM EST

Re: Look, The Hillary Promoters (none / 0)

Some of the same people that complain about misuse of the rating system abuse it here on a regular basis. They will do anything to stifle the apparent dissent from the policies and positions of their candidate. Anything.


If it's good enough for Joey it's good enough for Hillary! Like two peas in a pod.
by Hillary Lieberman on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 10:17:28 AM EST
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A Lot Of Hillary Supporters (none / 0)

.... have been zeroed, too. But this is not the way to win any favor. This is looking a bit to contentious.


by blues on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 12:31:06 AM EST

John Edwards Attacks (none / 0)

I am so f^&*ing tried of John Edwards and his attacks on Hillary. He has the right to point out differences, but these unprovoked attacks are becoming ridiculous. He such a weak and pathetic f&$^ing candidate. I am praying that Hillary pulls off an upset in Iowa, and this ambulance chaser can go back to his multii-million mansion with EE and those kids.


by lonnette33 on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 09:11:26 AM EST

Re: John Edwards Attacks (none / 0)

Nasty comment.


If it's good enough for Joey it's good enough for Hillary! Like two peas in a pod.
by Hillary Lieberman on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 10:18:12 AM EST
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Re: John Edwards Attacks (none / 0)

Really HL ?  I seen much worse from you.


by lonnette33 on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 04:55:35 PM EST
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Re: John Edwards Attacks (none / 0)

I meant to say, "I have seen worse from you".


by lonnette33 on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 04:56:10 PM EST
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Re: John Edwards Attacks (none / 0)

You're the one using veiled profanity.  Glass houses......they're something else.


Take out the trash. Down with Saxby Chambliss!
by CLLGADEM on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 05:16:48 AM EST
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